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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;notes from telecon&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Goals ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Discussion of reviewer comments&lt;br /&gt;
* Timeline for writing the proposal&lt;br /&gt;
* Agreement on high level thrusts + discussion of objectives/milestones&lt;br /&gt;
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== Notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
* Present: Mani, Pablo, Eric&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Round Robin: ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Mani&lt;br /&gt;
** Critical comments on safety and security; what does this mean?&lt;br /&gt;
** What does safety mean?  Should we emphasize more what we are doing (its basically in there).  Address with more detail&lt;br /&gt;
** Security is a hole in our current plan; Rich Doyle at JPL is interested in this.  Security = man in the middle attack&lt;br /&gt;
** SRI people have done work in security&lt;br /&gt;
** ACTION: decide whether we want to include anything along these lines&lt;br /&gt;
*** Some aspects we can incorporate into our framework&lt;br /&gt;
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* Pablo&lt;br /&gt;
** Need to figure out what they meant by security&lt;br /&gt;
** We should be able to get adversarial action within objective #6 in a game theory-style approach&lt;br /&gt;
** We probably need more than that - eg (from Mani): what happens when someone joins the network.  How do we get the key to them?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Eric Klavins&lt;br /&gt;
** Rada Pravendrin at UW is security in network protocols&lt;br /&gt;
** Reviewers may not know what they mean by safety and security; maybe we just need to recognize that there are issues (airplane out of sky) and discuss them&lt;br /&gt;
** Include an example security problem that we look at (eg, making a system unobservable)&lt;br /&gt;
** Probabalistic reasoning - very interested in this.  We should sort through what we want to do&lt;br /&gt;
** Graph grammar for adversarial environments (composition of grammars)&lt;br /&gt;
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General comments&lt;br /&gt;
* Section 3: Flesh out probabalistc section quite a lot.  Lots of interest.&lt;br /&gt;
* Section 6: Pablo to flesh out + Eric on graph grammers&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Timeline and Proposal Process ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Pablo going to Singapore on 28 October&lt;br /&gt;
* Running set of examples throughout the proposals&lt;br /&gt;
** Specification of tasks for MVWT&lt;br /&gt;
** Workshop format; follow up one year later&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Next Steps ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Outline of proposal: RMM to generate draft &amp;#039;&amp;#039;today&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and send out&lt;br /&gt;
** Comments, additions, etc due by 16 Oct (Sun), 8 pm PsT&lt;br /&gt;
* Meetings/telecons with partners: RMM to send out e-mail today and set these up for next week&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Murray</name></author>
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